(Update January 2024: I have updated this review with my final return numbers, along with additional details from my bank and brokerage statements. I hope it can help prospective users make a more educated decision.)
These were the rates advertised to me at the time. I took a peek today (January 2024) and they are about the same.
A short theoretical story. Let’s say you have $1,000 and put it into a 1-year CD at an FDIC-insured bank that pays 5% APY. At the end of the year, you’d have $1,050 guaranteed. Now, imagine you went to Vegas and instead bet that $50 interest on red at the roulette table. Worst-case, you’d lose the $50 and still have $1,000. Best-case, you’d double the $50 and end up with $1,100. A 10% annual return! Now, you might charge a fee to others for this “service”. Nothing if they lose, but a little cut if they win. So $1,000 worst-case, and $1,096 if they win ($4 fee for the service). Venture capital funding, here I come!
This gives you a basic idea of what I believed was going on here, except replace Vegas with some fancy derivatives to give you market exposure to a portfolio of stocks and bonds.
The longer Save version. Here it is, straight from Save:
Every Save® account is connected with a FDIC-insured bank account. Your deposits are never at risk. We only invest the interest on your deposits, so no matter what happens with the ups and downs of the markets, your initial deposit is never at risk for investment loss.
This app is a combination of an FDIC-insured bank account, an SIPC-insured brokerage account, and an SEC-registered investment advisor. Your money is placed into an FDIC-insured account at Webster Bank that doesn’t earn any interest. Instead of paying you interest, they will buy a portfolio of securities that offer exposure to market products like stocks and bonds. These securities are held in a brokerage account with Apex Clearing, the same firm used by brokers like Robinhood, WeBull, etc. As your financial advisor, they will charge you a fee of 0.35% annually for this service. Ex. 0.35% of $1,000 is $3.50 a year. 0.35% of $10,000 is $35 a year.
Upon opening Market Savings and initiating a deposit to the Deposit Account, Save will, on behalf of you:
– deposit your funds in full into the Deposit Account provided by Webster, member FDIC and,
– purchase a strategy–linked security selected based on your risk tolerances within a Client Account
The Market Savings Product is comprised of a Deposit Account with Webster Bank, N.A. and a Client Account with Apex Clearing Corporation.
SAVE Advisers is an investment adviser registered with the SEC. SAVE Advisers provides its clients with combined banking products and wealth management services through a web-based algorithmically driven wrap-fee investment advisory program (the “SAVE Market Savings Wrap Program”).
The SAVE Market Savings Wrap Program is designed for investors with a cash savings investment profile. The investment objective of the SAVE Market Savings Wrap Program is to enhance our clients’ cash savings investment profile by providing attractive returns on capital using Save’s core investment philosophy while preserving their initial investment.
On the Market Savings Wrap Program, Clients will pay a wrap fee at a rate of 35 basis points (0.35%) per annum (one basis point is 1/100 of 1%) on either 1.) the total notional amount of each strategy–linked security or 2.) the total notional value of the Client Deposit Account (whichever is greater).
Save products are intended for conservative investors who are mostly concerned about the protection of their principal investments.
This is a similar concept to the
The investments in Save portfolios are held for over a year so they are taxed as long-term capital gains.
This reminds me of the structured investments and “equity-linked returns with no downside” offered by many insurance companies. The insurance companies have much more onerous early withdrawal penalties where you can lose more than your initial principal, so this seems like a much lower cost option that is more aligned (they also get paid nothing if they return 0%), but this level of complexity is still not what I want for my primary portfolio. It feels more like wimpy gambling.
Where do they get those high advertised returns? Those are back-tested numbers:
Average annual returns are based on hypothetical back-tested performance by Save of the Save Moderate Portfolio from 2006 to present.
What happens if I try to withdraw my investment before the end of my term? There is a early withdrawal fee (a slightly complicated formula), but you’ll always at least get back your initial principal.
I understand that if I terminate my account prior to the completion of an investment term I may forgo all gains and receive back only my initial deposit.
Update: My final results from December 2022 to December 2023. I deposited $1,000 in December 2022, and ended up with… $1,000 in December 2023. I got back my initial $1,000 and that was it. All of the other investments apparently matured at a value of zero. This is despite having been told that I had positive return in the middle of the year
Save did put my initial amount in an FDIC-insured bank account and just keep it there, doing absolutely… nothing. Each month, I got a bank statement and a brokerage statement. No interest was earned. Here is a screenshot of my final bank statement showing $1,000 being sent back to me at the end of December 2023, after 12 months.
Below is a screenshot from my Save Brokerage statement, which was indeed held at Apex Clearing (a popular clearing firm for many fintech, used by Robinhood, etc). Inside, they bought some sort of non-transparent, thinly-traded securities that were classified as corporate bonds. Perhaps someone with more advanced market knowledge can tell me more about these things. Example CUSIPs were 05600HTU9 and 05600H2F1.
Here is a tiny of bit info from
The value of this security varied wildly through the year, from zero to $1 and all the way back to apparently zero?
$5,000 exposure referral bonus details. If I viewed this as “wimpy gambling”, why did I open an account? Because I only like to gamble when I think I have an edge, and I thought the odds were pretty good with the referral bonus. The minimum investment is $1,000 for the 1-year term, and $5,000 for the 3- and 5-year terms. However, if you open using a
For each referral that signs up and deposits the required minimum of $1,000, Save will deposit $5,000 worth of portfolio investments in each party’s (both referrer and referee) Client Account held at Apex. All Referral Bonuses will be invested under a one (1) year maturity term. At the end of the term, the Referral Bonus Investment (i.e., the $5,000) will be returned to Save and each party (referrer and referee) will keep their respective gain from the invested Referral Bonus, minus Save’s fee for management. Save’s management fee is .35%, which is discussed in the Fees section.
I signed up using a referral link myself and deposited $1,000 to qualify for the bonus $5,000 in equivalent balance (total $6,000). I knew I’d get my $1,000 back after a year, plus the interest amount as if I held $6,000 total. I figured, the bonus improves my range of potential outcomes, since 8% of $1,000 is $80 but 8% of $6,000 is $480. It felt like the various sports betting and poker bonuses out there that also tilt the odds in your favor (which I have done to a net profit).
If it was like roulette and I bet on red and it landed on black, I’d be totally fine with it. I still got back my $1,000 and missed out on about $40 of interest based on rates back then. But what irks me, however, is that their website still advertises a high 1-year historical return (screenshot taken 1/14/24). “Truth in Savings” disclosure, indeed.
I don’t mind taking a fair bet and losing, but I don’t like how their bets are not transparent at all, as I still have no idea what the money was invested in. I also don’t like how they don’t disclose that many of their customers have received zero returns, and instead continue to use a theoretically backtested numbers even though they already have real-world returns in the books.
Bottom line. The Save app advertises to folks “higher returns on their savings without the risks of the stock market.” They do appear to keep your principal safe in an FDIC-insured account, but it is very unclear how they invest the rest. Despite their posted 1-year return numbers, my personal experience was zero return (0.00%) on my 1-year term Market Savings investment that ran from December 2022 to December 2023. I did receive my initial principal back as promised.
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